If we submit to this sovereign, loving, fatherly care, we will not “grow weary and lose heart,” but we will keep the faith, fight the good fight, and finish our course, and die well, and glorify our Father in heaven. And so what we need to remember is that we are always loved. Here Steve exposes the common danger we all face in learning the “how” of spiritual disciplines without the “why.” He presses us to think about our heart motivations to read the bible and pray more, so we will cultivate […] Desiring God: A Note on Resources 203 Hunger for God.537264.i02.indd 7 3/8/13 3:29 PM. We do not think the same or act the same because we serve a different Master. Most people in the world have no experience of lasting joy in their lives. I think my final underline answer to the person who asks, “Well, then how do I know if I am being disciplined?” is when they are really asking, “How do I know if I have sinned?” And the answer to that is: Read your Bible. So I see in this passage the precious teaching that God reigns over the hazards of our circumstances and over the health of our bodies and over the hostility of our adversaries and he designs all of life ultimately as a loving father’s discipline. The KJV translation uses the word temperance in place of “self-control” which, like self-discipline, generally refers to our ability to control or restrain ourselves from all kinds of feelings, impulses, and desires, which includes the desire for physical and material comfort. That is repair. Answer: Self-discipline is essentially the same as self-control, one of the nine fruits of the Spirit listed by Paul in Galatians 5:22-23. God created men and women in his imageÑequal in value and complementary in roles. A sweet breeze was blowing on my face. For God’s children, know that discipline is always ever in love. Discipline Virtual Space Amino. The Lord Disciplines the One He Loves This is the whole point of Hebrews 12:3–11, the clearest explanation in the Bible of the profound good we receive when God disciplines us. And that is what this passage teaches. This was about 35 years ago when we were still teaching. This text says, God is the doctor planning our surgery, not the doctor repairing our lacerations. The book of Hebrews is a very mature and sober book when it comes to the pain and stress of Christian living and the endurance that it takes to run the race and fight the fight and finish well. It has a totally different conception of what is happening to us. Which is harder to attribute to God’s design: the hostility of sinners against God’s people or the destruction of a hurricane? Affliction, when we accept it with patience and humility, can lead us to a deeper, fuller life. This is what I said earlier some Christians simply will not believe. Procrastination is generally considered unproductive and many teachers b. Paying attention to what the early church prayed for can help keep your prayer life from falling into a rut. And now he brings this legacy of suffering up to date and applies it to the believers of his day. His discipline is purposeful and brings us life. But it is not yet martyrdom, though that could come. So I exhort you: Endure hardship as discipline. And the more you have suffered, the more you will cling to the precious teachings of this book — if you are willing to believe them. Jesus said in Luke 13:24, “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.” And the word “strive” is agonize — to wrestle and struggle. This book is excellent. It is a massive statement about the gracious sovereignty of God over the evil that befalls his people. Here is what I mean. He was always on their case, spanking and criticizing and speaking ugly words. Who is whipping? Hard work is not legalism. For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. . The discipline of fasting not only expresses a longing for God to break in and change us, but also awakens a hunger for his sovereignty in our lives. And so God is always, I think, disciplining us. Or will you kick against this chapter and demand in the season of suffering that God give a greater account of himself than he does in this chapter? “Be anxious for nothing . Especially when God himself says in Exodus 4:11, “Who has made man’s mouth? Desiring God. Hebrews 12:6, he disciplines those whom he loves. The word “seems” (discipline “seems” not to be joyful) hints that there is a kind of residual joy of hope that hangs on beneath the cloud, but the tears and the sighs and the groans are so many that it looks like sorrow has the upper hand — at least for a season. It is not the main one, and it is not the decisive one. This is the design of our loving Father that comes to us painfully and mysteriously through the hostility of sinful adversaries and the natural hazards of a fallen world. Let us be clear, if there is no discipline, there is no discipleship. Why do so many Christians think that… Another glimpse is in verse 4: “You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin.” The point here is that things are bad, but not as bad as they could be. The video above is from the Desiring God Ministries website with a lightly edited transcript below. And I went in to her, and I said, “What is with the pears?”. I have said things I shouldn’t have said.”. For consider him who has endured such hostility by sinners against himself, so that you may not grow weary and lose heart. You mean like he stopped being disobedient and became obedient and thus sinned?” No, that is not what it says and that is not what it means. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin; and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor faint when you are reproved by him; for those whom the Lord loves he disciplines, and he scourges every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But he has told you what you need to know: it is the love of an all-wise Father to a child. Will you let the Word of God settle the issue for you, so that when the suffering comes, you don’t turn on God and put him in the dock and prosecute him with accusations? It is for discipline that you endure.’” (see Proverbs 3:11–12). The Scriptures need to be meditated upon, read, or heard two or more times per day (Deut 6:4-9, Josh 1:8) so that we can know and do the will of God. This whole book is written to keep that from happening. And his words are contemptuous. “The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God.” ― John Piper, Desiring God: Meditations of … The suffering comes from the hostility of sinners. Designed for Joy includes fresh contributions from fourteen young leaders, casting a uniÞed vision for Christian manhood and womanhood. [I have been reading Jerry Bridges’ book The Discipline of Grace: God’s Role and Our Role in the Pursuit of Holiness (NavPress, 1994, 2006). He is author of. In Romans 2:4 it says, “Don’t you know that the kindness of God is meant to lead you to repentance?” So now here you have God using another method besides spanking or suffering to bring us to repentance. Most people in the world have no experience of lasting joy in their lives. Should we see these things as part of God’s overarching discipline of his children for their good? And so what we need to remember is that we are always loved. God allows us to undergo trials and temptations so our faith will be tested and we will grow in maturity as Christians. Our wholeness as human beings created in God’s image depends on it. Their dad treated them in such a way that they never felt affirmed. And so you need to decide, “Am I sinning?” by looking at the word of God and discerning what your behavior was like. One way or another, there will be discipline in our lives. Two weeks ago in Hebrews 11:35–38, we read about Old Testament believers who were tortured, mocked, whipped, imprisoned, sawn in two, destitute, homeless. We’re on a mission to change that. She said, “God did.” And Jesus smiled. “Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest,” Jesus said in Matthew 11:28. At the end of his life, Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:7, “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith.” Keeping the faith is a fight to be fought and a race to be run. We will ask what kind it is and where it comes from. shows shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinner. Joy had been covered with a dark cloud of pain. The upshot then is this: if it is more difficult for God to govern the hostility of sinners against his people, and yet this passage teaches that he does just that, then why would we even think of denying the less difficult act of God’s rule over natural things like hurricanes and sickness? . In the strength that God supplies that God may get the glory (1 Peter 4:11), Out of his goodness he is always doing things for our good, both gentle and hard things. So when I say to them that God disciplines us in love, that is very hard for them to feel. And these Christians were in that danger, as are many of you. And God gives Satan permission to beat up on him. She’s hurt, and I am mad as all get out, and to kill time I pick up the garbage and take it outside to put it by the street because it is garbage pick-up day. And she kind of went back to her bedroom. “A whole crate of pears just rotted in the garage!” I said, and on and on and on. Hebrews 12:7-11 Pain's Purpose. If we do not discipline ourselves, God Himself will discipline us (Heb. He is author of. It’s not a little feel-good chapter about how to make the best of your troubles — or even about how God makes the best of your troubles. The reason is that in both cases — hostility and hurricanes — you have to deal with the pain caused by the event. Posts about Desiring GOD written by themighty3d. God is so wise that in the end His discipline molds us into Christ’s likeness – so we become what God intends us to be. In the strength that God supplies that God may get the glory (1 Peter 4:11), But in the case of hostility you have the added difficulty that people’s wills are involved, whereas in the case of a hurricane you don’t have that difficulty. Acting against carnal impulses is not legalism. And would that all Jerusalem within that wall Of yonder stone could see the signs Of peace!” He left the lass with lines Of simple wonder in her face And slowly went to find the place Where he was born. Our pain is not the effect of God’s hate, but of God’s love. . His discipline is to prune every branch in our lives that does not bear fruit so that our lives can increase its yield. Pastor John, how do I know when I am personally experiencing God’s discipline? But God’s purposes in such discipline are always for our good, even though at the moment they are painful, because they ultimately produce profound hope and joy (Hebrews 12:11). In other words, a dad in his sinful meanness might say, “You are such an idiot. Another glimpse of their suffering is in verse 11: “All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful.” In other words, the present experience of these Christians was sorrowful. And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 6 … Someone might ask, does this principle of discipline apply to things like natural calamities and sicknesses that are not caused by the hostility of sinners? And so will diligence without God. But they may also be the torque of the engine of faith running on the fuel of the Spirit to the glory of the grace of God in a self-centered and undisciplined world.. And so he is calling for us to have greater faith and greater humility. It is normal for Christians to have experiences of stress and suffering that threaten their faith and press too hard, or last too long and feel almost intolerable. God is the ultimate doer here. It’s the difference between the surgeon who plans the incision for our good, and the emergency room doctor who sews us up after a freak accident. The ultimate good for a Christian is to be sanctified, which is to be conformed to the image and likeness of Christ. It goes deeper than the average. 9 FOREWORD As we look out at the church today, there is so much that encourages us and ﬁlls us with gratitude. There is renewed zeal among God’s peo- Then, last week in Hebrews 12:1, we heard the call for all of us to lay aside sins and weights and run the marathon of radical love and holiness, while these saints witness to us along the route that it really can be done “by faith.” And then in verse two the writer tells us to look to Jesus who, like these Old Testament saints, endured a horrible death and was shamed, but set his eyes on the joy set before him. Will you trust him? That he has given the world over to Satan and the free will of man. That’s the burden of this passage. Since the Father’s great passion is fruitfulness, it is a time for evaluation. We’re on a mission to change that. And when I got on the driveway the sun was as bright, as glorious as could be. I believe the hostility of sinners is more difficult to attribute to God’s design. The Scriptures tell us about God Himself—His work, His character, His attributes. In other words, the more easy and pain-free your life has been, the less you will cherish the kind of spirituality taught in this book. When it says he learned obedience, it means he moved as he grew from one degree of obedience to another. When a sinning believer is rebuked and he turns from his sin and is forgiven, he is won back to fellowship with the body and with its head, Jesus Christ. And who’s in charge? That is the question. The hostility of sinners is real and it is wrong and responsible and guilty. The stress level here is huge. But he is even willing to tell us more. For God’s children, know that discipline is always ever in love. We are at the very beginning of a new year. Will you accept the mystery of God’s providence in the pain of your life, and be trained by it (as verse 11 says) for the sake of good and peace and holiness and righteousness and life? He is learning at each stage the actual implementation of his obedient heart in acts of obedience. All our wrestling and fighting and running are done with a deep restfulness of spirit that Christ himself has already won the decisive victory for us and is sovereignly working in us and will bring us to glory. God's discipline is designed to make us like His Son. In this book John Piper explores fasting's role in Christian history and suggests its place today. Notice very carefully: this text does not say that God looks on while hostile sinners hurt his people, or while Satan ravages the elect, and only then steps in to turn all this evil for good. “He endured hostility from sinners . For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. The issue is: will you believe this? Whether There is a restful side to the Christian life and a wrestling side to the Christian life. You are just an idiot. Will we trust him? All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. Now the second thing to ask is what kind of suffering this is and where did it come from. God God God God shows shows. For more than thirty years, John Piper pastored in the rough and tumble realities of downtown Minneapolis, preaching his people through the ups and downs of life one Sunday at a time. As you resolve to grow and change this year, remember that good intentions without diligence will fail. Sometimes he treats you way better than you deserve, and sometimes he spanks you in order to bring it to your attention — but you can’t tell which it is. Because the same kind of thing is happening to you and you need to get strength from Jesus. We will ask if it has a purpose or design and what it is. We will notice the pain and sorrow in this chapter. “My son, do not despise the LORD’s discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the LORD disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in” (Proverbs 3:11-12; see also Hebrews 12:5-11). 12:5–11). Hunger for God.537264.i02.indd 8 3/8/13 3:29 PM. It informs us about God’s Law and how badly we have fallen short of it. I’ve learned that asking God to discipline me is a Christian Hedonist’s prayer; it’s asking him for a greater capacity to enjoy him. For those whom the Lord loves, he disciplines, and he scourges every son whom he receives. That is a big if. Please consider this request from John Piper and become a monthly partner by December 31. He rules over sinners and Satan, and they unwittingly, and with no less fault or guilt, fulfill his wise and loving purposes of discipline in our lives. There are people I know who have a very hard time feeling loved by God. He has learned from Israel’s history which played on repeat: first blessing, then forgetfulness, idolatry, discipline and exile, repentance. Christians are unavoidably out of step with this world. But it is also — and this is a great hope for us — it is also the loving, painful discipline of our Father in heaven. (See Hebrews 11:36). "Before I was afflicted I went astray," David wrote, "but now I keep Your Word" (Psalm 119:67). Losing heart is a great spiritual danger. . Chewing is a normal natural necessary and highly enjoyable activity for rabbits. He has got this sediment at this bottom and then you shake the glass and, whoa, there it comes. The first answer is that the suffering is coming from hostile adversaries. The sky was blue. To embrace God's discipline is to understand that a loving God will never chastise his children capriciously. They say that God is not in charge of the evil that happens to us. let your requests be made known to God . They may be. At the end of another year, Pastor John reflects on 2020, the world of Ephesians, and the need for a new tidal wave of God-centered teaching. God adores our diligence when it unveils his worth to the world. The Purpose of Discipline The purpose of church discipline is the spiritual restoration of fallen members and the consequent strengthening of the church and glorifying of the Lord. So the point there is God is always disciplining us. And who’s doing this? Keep in mind what we saw two weeks ago and last week. They may be. That is my picture. Such neglect of self-discipline prolongs their spiritual immaturity, leaving them with little self-control to resist temptation and sin. The Lord’s discipline is a response of His love for us and His desire for each of us to be holy. Here comes a new challenge, and he begins obedient again. I believe in the Holy Spirit. Verse 6: “Those whom the Lord loves he disciplines.” The design of God is love. But it will not work in this passage. But there is also wrestling and struggle. From the beginning, Moses warned the people of growing fat and forgetful: Verse 9 poses our concluding question: Will we “be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?” Or will be rebel against the father of spirits, and die? They are despising. Discipline is not legalism. . We know from Hebrews 10:34 that some had been imprisoned and some had been plundered. And I was getting down on her like I have never done anything like that. Receive Discipline as a Loved Child. There is no discipline more important than the regular reading of God’s Word. And it wasn’t because Job was acting in any overt, sinful way that needed discipline, but it did turn out in the end that Job had some sediment of pride at the bottom of his life that got jostled up into that beaker of life. No human agent is causing the hurricane, but a human is willing the hostility. You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin.” The link with Jesus and the hostility shown against him shows that this is what the Christians are dealing with. One time I got really mad at Noel, because I found a whole crate of rotten pears in the garage. Another glimpse of their suffering is the reference to the hostility against Jesus (verse 3): “Consider him who has endured such hostility by sinners against himself.” Why consider this? When it came to capturing a generation of joy in one final sermon series, he turned to ten trademark truths to leave ringing in his people’s ears. Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Please consider this request from John Piper and become a monthly partner by December 31. These distinctive roles are not the vestiges of a bygone era, but integral to GodÕs timeless, good design for humanity. The first answer to that is seen in verse 3: “Consider him who has endured such hostility by sinners.” This is what Jesus endured, and this is what you are enduring. And the big “if” is: will you believe this? She had forgotten this fruit she had bought, and it had just rotted in the garage. To embrace God's discipline willfully is reflected by James and Paul. Who’s in charge of this? Acting against carnal impulses is not legalism. “Good eyes, my child. Bible verses about Desiring God. What they plan as destruction, God plans as salvation. It says that God is disciplining us; he is teaching us and correcting us and transforming us. Verse 6 goes so far as to say, “[God] scourges every son whom he receives.” Who is scourging? The concept of desiring the will of God before knowing the will of God is revolutionary and catalytic to our intimacy with God. And so will diligence without God. He makes the sun shine. There is rest and peace in the Christian soul. What they will as hurtful, God wills as helpful. Hebrews 12:6, he disciplines those whom he loves. Here comes a new kind of challenge, and he becomes obedient again. . In other words, what adversaries do to you out of sinful hostility, God is doing out of fatherly discipline. *** The concern over this tweet is the lack of consideration for how complex the mind is and how trauma affects the brain. But they may also be the torque of the engine of faith running on the fuel of the Spirit to the glory of the grace of God in a self-centered and undisciplined world.. Learned obedience? “Behold, blessed is the one whom God reproves; therefore despise not the discipline of the Almighty. The main answer of the passage is that God is in charge here, and that he is in ultimate control of these afflictions and that they are in fact the loving discipline of a perfect heavenly father. He hits hard at the idea that we must appropriate the Gospel for ourselves every day, confessing our sins and turning to the cross. All of our resources exist to guide you toward everlasting joy in Jesus Christ. Desiring God through fasting and prayer. This is extremely important for knowing your God and for living by faith through the suffering that is coming sooner or later into your life. Job, remember, was described in the very first verse of the book as being an upright man and blameless. . You know, he could have caused a car to careen over the curb and smack me into the hospital, and he would have been absolutely right to do so, but instead he smiled upon me. Hard things the very first verse of the book as being an man. 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